First Contact after Initial Interaction

So, you've hit the clubs, bars, whatever...you approach various women, got one or teo phone numbers...now what?

I got a question on forum:

What's the best way to contact someone after the initial interaction? Lately, I've been calling my pick-ups and all I get are answering machines, phones left to ring, basically flaking on the phone.

First and foremost you want to make sure that you did the basics right WHILE you were interacting with her at the meeting location.

Interest

Did you build enough interest for her to want to spend more time with you OUTSIDE the venue?

Were you getting indicators of interest? ARE YOU SURE...? sometimes they can be fake...the best IOI is if she is touching you...was she?

More importantly did you SCREEN her. If you didnt screen her correctly its possible that she will develop 'buyers remorse'...yeh she gave you her number but if you didnt exchange value with her for some of the qualities that you like in a woman through the whole screening process then she WILL flake. In her mind she will be thinking "yeh he's cool but why does he want me?...He must just want sex!"...FLAKE

Touch

Did you touch a.k.a kino her correctly...did you escalate through the physical escalation sequence required?

Did you touch her early enough?

Were you touching her at all?

Isolation

Did you move her to be alone with her in order to build comfort? You cant build comfort while she is with her friends. Did you build comfort at all? You need some comfort built before leaving the initial interaction. Sometimes you might need Trust as well.


If the answer to the above is NO...then you have work to do before worrying about making the first phone call.

If the answer to the above is maybe...dont forget that girls giving her number to you doesnt mean SHIT. As discussed the best indicator is if she is touching you..there are other factors but they need to be calibrated by your experience.

If the answer to the above is YES to all...then on we go.

First Contact

The first thing that I like to do, if the interaction went well...is text her later on that night...for example if you teased her about being dorky...then you can say something like:

"Hey i just saw a girl on my way home that reminded me of how dorky and cute you are! Had fun...talk to you soon...Malibu"

Simple

Next...wait a day...I usually like to wait a day. If its really really on you can call the next day but i did some field research on Australian women and they get really creeped out by guys who call the next day...too needy...If you get her numebr on saturday...call monday afternoon/evening.

Dont text her unless she initiates text conversations. Some girls are more comfortable to text that talk...so if thats what they want then its ok to text. But every now and then you should call to show your confidence.

If she doesnt answer when you call? Leave a voice message..but dont make it sound needy...you also want to make it seem like you have something on and you werent calling her to arrange a meting:

"Hey its malibu, I just called to say hi...anyway im going to pickup my brother from work soon so Ill talk to you after"

Notice how I havent said "call me back" that sounds needy..so now just wait for her to call.

If she doesnt call you back? Wait a day. and then call again...but this time DONT leave a voice message....why? think punsihment reward.

If she still doesnt call back? wait two days...if she hasnt contacted you or answered your calls by this stage then Im pretty sure that you did something wrong at the meeting location...which you need to figure out. Then just next her and move on.

Dont linger around the one girl for weeks if she hasnt contacted you. Your better than that.


When she DOES answer and what to talk about

Its important that the first phone call does the following:

- Take her back into the state she was in that night. When you got her number it was night, she was socially vibed, she was drinking etc...you need to make her feel like she did when she was interested in you. I liek to talk about things that happened during that night:

"remeber that guy that was dancing so crazy"

or

"I cant believe you fell for that practical joke...your such a cute dork!"

- be mindful of the "fading effect"...she will have lost some interst for you come the first phone so you need to start with building interest...before starting with comfort.

- DONT ask her out on the first phone call....just talk about random stuff...stories..blah blah blah.

- Be the first to finish the phone call..."hey I gotta go because im metting my mate for coffee, but ill talk to you later"


These are just some of the basics that I teach in bootcamp...there is actually a whole lot more to phone game than this but this will help you get started anyway.

Good Luck

How to Structure a Killer Story

Storytelling is the essence of Limestone Lifestylists

We actually devote a part of the bootcamp to teaching students how to write out stories. Ask any of our former students about them and they will say its GOLD. Former student "Felix" actually said it was the best part of the bootcamp.

Anyway...on to the stories...

The idea with all stories is to be as natural as possible...or a better description would be to make them sound natural when you tell them so delivery is critical. Delivery must be practised after you learn to get the structure sorted out. We'll get to that in a second.

The Structure

There are three main parts to any story, routine, etc etc...the beginning, middle and ending.

First you have the lead in or hook which is the beginning.

The bulk of the story...or the middle...is the body. Thats where you will structure the majority of your dhv spikes and the stories information.

The ending is critical to capping of the story. We'll talk about that in a second as well.

The Material

So the first thing to do is choose your topic.

The material ...or topic you choose must be girl relevant. Dont bother talking about cars when we know most girls arent into stories about cars...topics like travel, adventure, fashion, dancing, socialising etc etc are always the best.

The Beginning

The start of your story is the clincher to getting the girls attention.

This is where you start with the lead in based on the topic you have chosen above. IT MUST BE RELATED TO THE TOPIC. The lead in most of the time can be a question...

"Have you guys ever been to South America? The coolest thing happened to me while i was there..."

Notice how the above lead in developed interest in travelling and then catches attention by saying the "coolest thing happened". This generates the interest; she will WANT to listen to your story.

Sometimes a lead in can also simply be "That reminds me..." or "Check this Out.." but only if you have her attention constantly in the set...this may depend on the social vibes of the situation...drunk girls at night clubs for example will be harder to get their attention because of the social vibe. So plan various lead ins for your story if required.

In saying that you may also need toadjust your body language, tonality and energy to suit your requirements as well. I like to use lots of energy when i say "Guess what happened tome last weekend"...it allows me to get her attention and hold it long enough to get to the nitty gritty of the story.

The Middle

the middle is the body of the story...it is where you describe the events.

You need:
-Events
-Demonstrations of High Value (DHV spikes)
-Unanswered questions.
-Detailed Character and Event Information
-Delete unneccessary info


First of all you need to write down ...IN POINT FORM...the events of the story.

EG
- We got on the train to the city
- We got off the train and walked to darling harbour
- I was walking a girl and her friends walk next to us we staretd chatting
- She commented on my shirt and siad how much she loved it
- They changed there plans to come out and hang out with us...
- But shewasnt my type and i wanted to get out of there but i was trying to be nice about it.
- BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

get the idea...

Next you start highlighting the dhv's in the story...the above example shows preselectiona nd social proof.

If your story hasnt got what you want you need to emphasise points that will show value...sometimes you can add your own spikes where you need them but i dont recommend you lie...

Lying will cause incongruency...

Anyway...next you want leave unanswered questions in your story.

For example with the following DHV spike;

Dont say "I went to pick up my girl friend because she is a model and she wanted a lift to her audition"

instead you should say "I picked up my girlfriend to take her to her audition"

This does 2 things.

1. Your not bragging...which is a dhv already because it shows you have confidence and you dont need to brag.

2. the unanswered question will cause her to think ..."was his girlfriend an actress or something"....which is where the DHV spike is working!

3. It will bait HER into asking..."was she an actress..." "no she's a model...but anyway...so we are driving over...blah blah blah"...this creates a forced indicator of interest effect...

See how the above examples are creating interest!!!!

Then you want to add you your point form of events the detailed information.

What colour was the car...how hot was it that day...what was the wind like...the key to the detailed information is FEELINGS and EMOTIONS. We'll get to that in a second as well.

Lastly, you want to go through your point form structure and delete an useless info that you dont need. Unneccessary info will only cause her to get bored and possibly lose interest.

The Ending

The ending of the story MUST link back to the lead in..or the point to the story.

It can be in the form of a punchline for funny stories, or soem kind of point or moral for serious and/or informative stories or heartwarming stories etc.

Also you must make sure that there are no details left out that are required...the story must be clean in the sense it must start and finish...if the girls say..."...and then what happened" or some variation...you just blew the whole effect of the story. If that happens just redirect and stack toyour next thread, routine or story.

But you should always make sure that the story finishes on point or punchline.

Delivery

After you have done the above you should rewrite the story in essay form and practise it until it is congruent. In fornt of a mirror, in the shower, on the way to work...on your friends, family, cousins, the pizza delivery guy...keep practising.

Delivery should vary the energt, body language, tonailty etc...Vary Postures and tones of Voice. Dont make it too animated that she gets burnt out from it but also dont make it not animated enough that she gets bored...you want her attention and the delivery is the best way to do.

Make sure that the earlier you use a story, the shorter it should be. Attraction stories should be between 30 seconds and 2 minutes. Comfort up to about 4-5 minutes...deep rapport can go on for longer.

The idea with story telling as that the more you practise the less need there is to write out your story.

I dont write stories down any more because I can now think of a story and structure it the way I want it and still come of naturally instantaneously while im in set.

Thats where YOU want to be.

Good Luck.

Variable Self Esteem

I had a question on my forum:

Probably this past week or so I've had really low self esteem where i dread interacting with people, If i've half made plans for a day 2 i will keep putting it off because I just know it will go poorly, or I'll be at tafe and say hardly nothing to nobody the whole day. Where as the other 40% of the time where I have a considerably higher self esteem I enjoy ineractions and am generally considered one of the fun loving class clowns. Also the further I stay in a low self esteem downward spiral the harder it is for me to come out of it. Can you sugest anything, reading material, words of wisdom etc, that could possiblly help?

The problem of variable self esteem effects alot of people.

It then turns to confusion...."I dont get, I was ok last time, now i feel like shit?"

Then it turns to frustration..."AWE fuck this, I dont want to do this anymore..."

Some of the best pick up artists on Limestone have felt like that from time to time.

What causes it? This can be many things. We discuss these in our bootcamps but here is a quick outline.

Expectation - Alot of the time we put expectations on our selves to succeed. When we dont succeed for some reason we begin to put ourselves down subconsciously. Thats when it can reflect in our self esteem. There is nothing that can help you with this...its more or less a "limited belief" that you have.

Motivation - lack of motivation can also effect your self esteem. Usually motivation issues are caused because of a conflict of not knowing what you want. Not knowing what you want leads to lack of ambition. No ambition leads to no motivation. I like to always have some kind of direction in my life whether it be with women or with any other part of my personal life. Make a list of goals.

Mood - the above question sounds like this partly...mood also effects your inner game. Some people have a tendency to get in a bad mood very easily and not feel like interacting. For others its alot harder to suffer from mood problems. I think one of the best things to do to keep a good fun loving mood is to always think positive. We all know it but how many of us ACTUALLY do it. Its hard...I always like to have things around me that will make me think positive. I like to keep lots of pictures hanging on my wall at home that will remind me of fun and happy times. Listening to music is always a popular one too. Choose what will be good for YOU.

However the main cause of all self esteem issues....

Fear - Fear is as we quote in our bootcamps "(Fear) is the body's natural, emotional and hardwired urge to protect itself..." In the above example it could be caused from intimidation by some women, and not as much by others...that would suggest a Fear of Non Accceptance or Rejection...getting out on a day 2 with a woman and failing...Fear of Failure. Im thinking intimidation has a big big part of it however which is causing the variable self esteem...

In hindsight one who has variable self esteem still has a fear just like someone who has low self esteem, so you have to treat it the same way....get out there and face your fears...

...if you feel like flaking on a girl because your esteem is low...force yourself to to go...

...when your at tafe or uni or out walking, force yourself to say hello to people...

Its hard without seeing the above example face to face or hearing more about the problem because inner game is so deep...THERE IS NO MAGIC PILL.

I cant get down to the nuts and bolts of it though because Im not a psychiatrist. Im a seductionist, everything I do is based on feeling.

So...resourcesthat can help?

I can give you a whole bunch of books and CD's to read...but that would be a waste of time.

There are a couple of things that can help...

The NLP seminar that I am co instructing with Scooby and led by Bushi next month will help you IMMENSELY. Bushi will be going into anchoring and how to anchor positive feelings into you, the circle of excellence, changing limiting beliefs which is one of the problems you have...and the value for money for this seminar is worth GOLD.

Some other resources I think you should try is some subliminal audio. I think personally the very best audio to get your hands on is by a guy called Paul Scheele. But there are many others that you can also try on the web...just do a search through google.

Peace out

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Im back and Im busy!

Hey y'all

its been a while since i have posted.

Im working hard to get the Limestone Bootcamps Firing up...and guess what...they are.

Our last Bootcamp was awesome...very exciting. Scoobs and I both "Shaked and Baked" LOL

Anyway, now we are gearing up for our next seminar, a NLP seminar that we are doing together with Bushi who is a licensed NLP practitioner. The seminar is on the 16th March so its right around the corner.

You guys should book now if you want a spot.

Anyway...Im aiming to start posting more often here and provide heaps of information which will just be a taste of what we offer in our Bootcamps.

peace out

The Myth of Natural Game

This is a touchy subject for many guys in the community....so i cant wait to see some opinions flying around!!! LOL...yes...Im evil!

First off let me say that this post is in NO way ridiculing those who preach the type of game that we know in the community as "Natural" game...

Nor is it designed to preach that "routine" based game is better than others or that any other type of game for that matter is better or worse.

The purpose of this post is to open up our minds to understand the truth about social dynamics as I believe it to be.


Lets first look at the term "natural"

Natural; adjective; to be in accordance with nature; Normal.

keyword...."normal"

Secondly lets look at the term "nature"

Nature; noun; the typical qualities or character of a person or thing.

keyword..."typical"


In reference to natural game, it can be said that gaming naturally is the social interaction with people in a way that is typical or normal.

but what is normal or typical.

Obviously we say that openers like:

"Hi, Im Chachi, and you are?"

is an example of a natural approach...why? because we are used to doing it for so long.

All of a sudden a man named Erik Von Markovik introduces opinion openers where we use an indirect way of introducing conversation to a potential partner....and what is the result? people debating which is better.

Many people in the community debating that Natural game is better and Routine based game...whether it be direct or indirect game...is a waste of time.

This is a falacy...it is useless arguement that defeats the purpose of social dynamics.

Think about this for a second; a hundred or so years ago everybody were walking around this lovely planet of ours....and all of a sudden an invention was thrown into society known as an automobile....ever heard of it?

yeh sure...everyone knows what a car is...we drive around in them everyday....

but back then they didnt. Back then people were thinking? What the fuck? thats not normal? thats not natural?

but today cars are very much a part of natural life...

if tomorrow someone invented a flying car? Would that seem natural?

What about if everyone flew around in cars for the nest 100 years? It would then be natural...

because it has become "normal"..."typical"...."natural"

Back to social dynamics some people look at Routine based game and think...thats not natural...why?....because it is new.

In time, routine based game will also become a natural part of social dynamics.

Even 30-40 years ago...it would be "normal" for a guy to approach a girl and ask her to dance. These days it is not a common practice because of the evolution of social interactions.

Times change...and so do we.

Understand this....regardless of the type of openers, routines, gambits etc that are used in social dynamics.....THEY ALL SUIT THE SAME PURPOSE.

OPINION OPENERS VS NATURAL OPENERS

Whether you ask a woman for her opinion on a certain topic...or go straight into the interaction with natural conversation like "Hi, how are you?"...

They both suit the same purpose....to begin the interaction.

ROUTINES VS CONVERSATIONAL

Whether you run games and tests and other forms of routines....or you just begin communicating with conversational topics and stories...

They both suit the same purpose....to escalate the interaction.


Let it be clear....as my good friend Harlequin has said in previous posts...."a sarge" came from the name of a bloody cat....

It is a "social interaction"...thus...

The purpose of social dynamics; natural or otherwise; is to escalate a social interaction with a person of sexual, emotional and/or physical interest.

Stop thinking; is natural better than routines. I laugh when people say natural game is better and similarly I laugh when people say routine based game is better.

The both suit the same purpose gentlemen...and ladies of course!

Calibrate the type of game that you need depending on the different situation you are in and FOCUS ON ESCALATING THE INTERACTION.

they rest will...as they say...come naturally!

yours naturally
Chach

Cultural Differences - How Women Are Different

It has been discussed and argued that women are the same all over the world...That all women find the same things attractive...

This is the falacy that has been created by Mystery, Style, and whoever else you want to name....

It is utter nonsense; and was created on the basis of shear marketing to make guys who have low confidence and self esteem issues; like nerds and geeks that are referred to in The Game; believe that they can get any woman they want by using the same techinques over and over again.

While it is true that attraction is not a choice....

The factors (or values) that emotionally create attraction ARE a choice...they are female choices.

Probably the only reason that women are different all over the world are CULTURAL DIFFERENCES. The way women are brought up, their social and family environments all shape the way that women feel emotionally about certain factors that influence attraction.


Attraction Switches

While I believe that the 3 attraction switches taught by many in the community are the main factors that women find attractive all over the world, I still refuse to believe that the are the ONLY factors that women find attractive.

Every woman find different values attractive in different ways. Teaching that there are only 3 main attraction switches is nonsense.

In saying that, this is a topic raised in my thread on Attraction Switches. Please read that for more information on attraction switches.

Global Differences

Yes ...Women are different all over the world in women from different countries; Australia, America, Germany, Sweden, UK. And it is dictated merely from the cultural differences instilled in our societies.

While some of the time, women are mostly the same and using any method WILL work, I believe that holding the idea that women are the same everywhere can be self limiting.

Changing your approach strategies, attraction methods and comfort methods should all be calibrated depending on the values of the women you meet.

One example that scooby and I have sort of discovered and been looking into a bit more recently is strippers. In america Strippers are seen as "high value"; coming from the teachings of Mystery himself and even current mPUA's who believe going out with a stripper is having high social proof and preselection.

However in Australia, being a stripper; or even going out with a stripper; is viewed as being low value, sleazy and sometimes (as i have been told before by many women and men alike) disgusting.

Another example; if you want to llok at the differences between women in Euorpe compared to Australia; is the sexual freedom in europe that dictates why a direct method (i.e. badboy) works better in Europe. Take Amsterdam for instance....you cant tell me that women in Amsterdam are the same as women in Australia. Complete cultural difference. Thus the requirement for a different stretgy to attract the women there.

Interstate Differences

This is where women start to differ more noticeably.

Women in Sydney are different to women in Melbourne and similarly in Adelaide, Goldcoast, Perth etc etc.

The cultural differences between cities is more a fine tuning of social environments.

Of course I should make it clear again that this is not necessarily the case for every woman.

From my personal experience I have found that women in Sydney are usually very work and career orientated. They tend to have a formal approach when meeting people and socialising and meeting Sydney women often turn out to feel very much like an interview than just a social interaction. Conversational rapport is usually the best way to demonstarte value. They usually find a man attractive who is ambitious, intellegent and conversationl.

Women in melbourne seem work orientated yet still very social and laid back. I also find them very cautious women; using negs for example on women in Melbourne can sometimes get you blown out and mistaken as insults even at the best of times. they find classy men attractive, men who are well groomed and corporate types who know how to relax and have fun.

Women in the Gold Coast are much more laid back and easy going. They thrive on fun and excitement. Games and routines are the best way to demonstrate value, while using rapport will bore thenm to death. they find the surfer type of guy attractive; risk takers and adventure seekers.

Once again the reason to these differences is their cultural and social environments.

Inter-Suburb Differences

This is where the major differencts in cultural environments start to change. Especially in sight of nationality and background.

In sydney, how often do you see guys from the western suburbs dating women from the north shore or the eastern suburbs of bondi and coogee?

Speaking in terms of nationalities, how often do you see a girl or guy of lebanese decent dating someone of anglosaxon australian decent from the eastern suburbs?

How often do you find someone who is Italian or Greek dating someone who is Asian?

The catch here is it is not just women....it is men as well....

People like to be segregated in Sydney. Obviously not living in any other city in Australia I cant speak for other cities but Im assuming it is similar in Melbourne, Brisbane etc etc.

This is where the main cultural differences act to effect the attraction switches in women.


Noting these differences it is NOT the case that you cant meet women (or men for the ladies reading this) in any other case....but these are the factors that effect HOW you strategise your interaction with them.

When I meet women who are from a similar background to myself I demonstrate high value through discussion about family and my italian heritage and hit common interest points.

When I meet women from the eastern suburbs or north shore I demonstrate value through my adventurous and fun side of me.

Once I get into comfort; which is usually only after 10-20 mins or so....then I combine both...because her defenses have been lowered and rapport building then takes place.

This is not to say that women are completely different...but there are differences....and keeping those differences in mind will only reduce your limits and increase your beliefs.

In Conclusion just remember that every woman is different, and you SHOULDN'T stick to one and only method that was apparantly delievered on a stone tablet. There are NO rules in social dynamics. Sometimes the points I have highlighted above may be completely different to what you may come across....but thats not to say they dont exist.